Jared Goff Gets Dumped
Well that was a doozy of a trade now wasn’t it? It had barely come out that the Rams were hinting they wanted to move on and all of a sudden one of the biggest prizes of the offseason goes to LA and Goff is sent packing to Detroit. The Lions get Jared Goff, 2 firsts, and a third. LOTS OF OPINIONS COMMENCED.
It’s hard to look at it and not think the Lions probably “won” overall. Stafford was gone anyway so now a team beginning a long rebuild process can use those picks accordingly. Possibly to move up in the draft, possibly to just stack picks. Goff is the biggest question mark. For years he’s been the butt of jokes that he’s just a vessel for Sean McVay. Very little credit has ever been given to poor Goff even when he makes legitimately great throws because he’s just McVay’s puppet. Well, now we get to see if that is true. Is Goff as goof as he looks? Is he secretly a great QB? We are about to find out! My guess is the Lions plan to use him as a stop-gap for the future and he won’t be anything better than mediocre. He isn’t worth his contract whatsoever.
Stafford and the Rams are the more intriguing situation because the Rams again have no first round picks for multiple years, they have a win-now type of roster, and Stafford is an upgrade. The Rams are trying their damndest to keep that window open just a little bit longer. I approve. The Rams gonzo moves the past few years have resulted in some fun changes. I like it when teams go for the gusto.
I am very happy for Stafford, who I see as the current Romo of his generation. A good, often great, sometimes excellent QB who is constantly carrying the team on his back, constantly getting let down by the franchise around him, and then subsequently gets considered bad by people paying less attention. If you talk to a Lions fan, Stafford is basically Tom Brady that has been unjustly judged. If you talk to many casuals who don’t really pay attention to the Lions, Stafford must suck because they never go to the playoffs and he’s never won an important game. Stafford is very often completely overlooked because the Lions are such a dumpster all the time. Stafford has been an absolute hero for that team, putting up incredible numbers in valiant attempts to not lose by 30 because the defense shat the bed again. The truth, as always, is probably in the middle, but I lean towards Stafford being overlooked rather then overrated. I am very excited to see him on a competent team with great weapons and a defense to back him up.
Anyway Goff was apparently surprised by the move, so I like to imagine he’s secretly one of the most annoying people in the world and McVay just had to get him out of there before he ate his lunch again. Things Jared Goff probably does:
-Story top everything you say
-interrupting you in the process
-walks slowly in the middle of the walkway
-do something rude and then say it’s “just a prank bruh”
-kick the back of your chair in an airplane
-take your fries without asking first
-call your significant other ugly
-berates wait staff
-leave the toilet seat up
-has a really weird forced laugh that’s too loud
-gives you flat tires (stepping on the back of your shoe so it comes off your heel)
-does crossfit
-drives one of those sports cars that aren’t very good but are just for looks, I dunno, car people help me out what’s a real douche car?
-talk nonstop during a movie
-microwaves fish in the office
-takes the last (food of your choice) every time
-doesn’t hold the door open for anyone
I’ve read Goff is actually a decent guy so if you ever read this Jared, send me money and I will retract everything.
#SendMeMoneyToo
– call your significant other ugly
Well, that’s not what he said about McVay’s significant other…
Douche sports car? Easy: WRX.
(I say this as someone who’s owned one for many, many years. But yeah. It’s the modern-day IROC-Z Camaro.)
Actually the car of choice would probably have to be a Ford Mustang. Not that there is anything wrong with Mustangs, but they are the most affordable iconic sports car out there so the douche ratio in Mustang ownership is very high. It’s a meme at this point that if you read about someone wrecking their car leaving a Cars&Coffee event you know that they were driving a Mustang GT.
So, wait, wait, wait. In your quest to portray Goff as a spoiler-spewing ass#@, you… decided to become one yourself in the very first panel? Not cool, Dave. Not cool.
I’d be even more pissed, but another comic spoiled that for me yesterday. Damn you internet toons!
Hell, I got spoiled by the Twitter feed of the actor who played “Luke”.
The show aired 7 weeks ago. You can’t expect anyone to worry about spoilers at this point.
Star Wars is the biggest media property in the world, the show ended the season like 2 months ago, why haven’t you watched it yet if it matters so much? And also how did you stay insulated this long anyway? I don’t care about Star Wars anymore, I don’t pay attention to star wars anymore, I haven’t watched the show at all, and I still had the entire thing spoiled for me by cultural osmosis and sheer volume of conversation
I think 2 months on a major property is a perfectly safe statute of limitations on spoilers for something so massive as Star Wars
I think 2 months on a major property is a perfectly safe statute of limitations on spoilers for something so massive as Star Wars
good on you, except literally no one else thinks this, so gtfo
There comes a point in time when I think it’s unreasonable to demand everyone assume you haven’t seen (thing) and therefore don’t want something spoiled. After a certain amount of time I think the responsibility is on the person who hasn’t seen something to make the effort, not the people who have seen it respect those who haven’t, because after a significant amount of time it’s safe to assume most people who wanted to see a thing already have
Besides, as spoilers go, I was still pretty vague and didn’t give details
True, you didn’t say which Luke … I hope it’s Kuechly.
Agreed! It was totally unreasonable for the 10 million plus people who read A Storm of Swords to wait a decade without spoiling the Red Wedding for the loaf-abouts who only watched the show!
I think that It’s not dave’s job to babysit people on the internet and protect them from spoilers. It’s one thing to intentionally spoil someone you know is in the middle of watching something or playing something old, but imo dave is well within his right to openly talk about a thing that happened 2 months ago. If some rando is out there watching the mandalorian for the first time, then it’s on them to avoid spoilers that come naturally over normal discourse. If that means avoiding the internet entirely, then so be it. Dave shouldn’t have to restrain the perfectly reasonable things he wants to talk about at his own expense to please random people that may be watching the thing in question. A week after it airs? Sure, way too soon. 2 whole friggin months? Get off it.
Thank you, you were more succinct than I was about it. When I made this comic I knew 2 things:
-Everyone I knew who cared had seen it by now, so it seemed safe to me
-If I posted this comic months from now instead, someone still would have been mad about it, because it’s the internet and someone is always unhappy
It isn’t about “babysitting,” it’s about understanding when something is a major spoiler – regardless of age – and being respectful of it. Nobody is saying he can’t or shouldn’t talk about it. But he clearly knows throwing it out there is a d#$@ move – the comic is LITERALLY about Goff pulling d@& moves. He’s equating it to urinating in someone’s bathtub.
Many youtubers figured out how to handle this years ago with a quick “Be warned, I’m talking XYZ spoilers here.”
I think it is reasonable for someone trying to avoid spoilers to expect that a webcomic about sports would have some OBVIOUS warning flag before just dumping a major spoiler like that less than 2 months after it aired. If the first panel was Baby Yoda, for instance, anyone who fell behind would know to stop.
Is it world-ending? No. But it’s a d@&#$ move, and Dave knows that.
-I’m not a movie youtuber deliberately discussing the property, I’m a football dork making a nerd reference to a hugely popular property that to my knowledge everyone already knew.
-a MINOR nerd reference, for heavens sake, I didn’t say why, or when, or how, or give any context outside namedropping a character to get the joke’s point across. I didn’t consider it much of a spoiler, but still took care to not reveal much just in case
-There is a difference between what Goff does in panel 1 and what I did. I made a nerd reference, publicly. Goff deliberately went up to someone he knows is trying to experience something and ruined it for him. I think the latter is far more dickish than referencing something in a public forum where you can’t account for everyone at every time. If I went into a spoiler-free discussion thread and posted it, that’s more equivalent to what Goff did
-Once something has been released out in the world for anyone to see, there should be an expectation that it will be referenced publicly like it is above. I’ve been spoiled countless times by this sort of thing (including the very spoiler I used) and in every case, I’ve never been particularly mad that someone talked about it in a public way and I just happened to get it.
-Every discussion I’ve ever had online concerning spoilers the sensitive types always come across as far worse, because they get so mad about it and demand everywhere be safe. Movie YouTubers do the spoiler thing because they know if they don’t, a huge number of people are going to be mad at them about even the smallest spoiler, and they don’t feel like having it derail the point, much as it has in these comments. At this point my only regret is assuming I was safe from it because it was minor enough and Im not popular enough
I didn’t know Luke showed up; you spoiled it for me. I also don’t watch the show, and don’t care about that particular spoiler. If you aren’t on Twitter it is very easy to use the internet without getting spoilers, even for hugely popular franchises. Game of Thrones passed the books 4 years ago, and the only spoiler I’ve gotten from that property is that ‘Hodor’ is short for “Hold the door” for reasons I will not understand until George R.R. Martin runs out of money. (He’s hugely unmotivated to write anything at this point)
would have been just as effective to say “rosebud was his sled” or “kevin spacey was soze” or “bruce willis was dead the whole time” without the added dickery of arguing whether a two-month moratorium is sufficient
seriously, two months isn’t even half a season, what the fuck man
“Curse you, Spoiler Owl!”: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzDU18gOsN4
Two months seems fine to me for something that already ended and is watchable on demand at any time, everyone who cares that much has probably already seen it by now. Catering to all the spoiler-sensitive people who demand the entire internet conform to their specific media consumption schedule is absurd. Star Wars is huge and a very zietgiest sorta property, the longer you go afterward without seeing it is just playing with fire if spoilers matter than much to you. I found out about it because of two teenagers in line at the grocery store chatting about it like a week after it aired. I can’t blame them for it. I can’t be mad at them for not realizing I could hear their conversation or demand they respect me and not discuss it with each other in public.
I personally don’t care about the Mandalorian and just wanted to do a Game Grumps reference because I thought it was funny and topical.
Unfortunately, you are not the arbiter on someone’s time, and it isn’t up to you to decide when they *should* have seen something that is only a month or two old without a spoiler tag.
I have a small child and only managed to find the time to complete S2 last week. As BurntFries noted, it is very easy to avoid spoilers on a recent show when you’re actively avoiding them. Especially if you loathe social media (like me). My issue with you here is you aren’t giving people the option to opt out with a warning tag, and they have no reason to think a sports webcomic is going to slap them with a spoiler like that. On a show THAT recent, no, you don’t get to claim it’s a huge media property, so it’s *their fault* for not being as quick about it as you. This was a d@&# move, and was in no way shape or form critical to the humor of the comic. Own up to you basically being the Jared Goff in this situation, and we can move on.
Next time, as lol mentioned, used older and more “acceptable” spoilers, or at least include a “WARNING: Such-n-Such Spoilers below”, so people can CHOOSE whether or not to read it.
On an unrelated note, I want you traded to another webcomic. =P
This is literally the first place I’ve even seen people who cared who haven’t watched the show, I genuinely figured anyone who cared that much already knew. Saying “I’m not the arbiter of everyone’s time” is true enough, but it goes both ways. People who haven’t seen it aren’t the arbiters of how other people can bring it up. I figured 2 months was enough for a minor reference to a mega popular property and I know people in your same situation who already watched it.
I gave no plot details, it’s barely a spoiler as it is. Something like Bruce Willis is dead is a genuine spoiler, it recontextualizes the entire experience of the movie, saying “character appears” is about as vague as possible as far as spoilers go
It does go both ways, and I think most people that care about spoilers take as many precautions as they *reasonably* can to insulate themselves if they’re behind. In this case, one might avoid Star Wars forums, ask friends to avoid any Star Wars conversations in their presence, minimize visits to twitter and facebook. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out there are other people with children or other factors in their life that have put them a few weeks behind, regardless of the anecdotal observations you’ve made with your own friends.
By not putting up any kind of warning or tag – like most movie-related youtubers have been doing for years – you have deprived people of the option to turn back. There’s no ramp up that lets you know, “Whoa, hey, this comic is about the Mandalorian, I better sit this one out since I’m not up to speed.” It’s literally THE FIRST LINE, out of the blue. And this comic didn’t even NEED that joke, which possibly makes it worse, I really don’t know. You’ve spoiled it for people, and there isn’t even a payoff for it. It’s just a throwaway line about Goff being an a&@#$e.
Which, ultimately, is what this comes down to. If you REALLY think it’s “barely a spoiler,” then why, in a comic about Goff pulling off major d&# moves, do you have him doing it? 8/
Here was my thought process for the spoiler posted:
-I don’t want to use the cliche spoiler like Bruce Willis being dead, because those spoilers are basically pop culture, and everyone knows them. It didn’t make him seem like much of a dick
-I wanted something more recent, but still something people would know, and Star Wars seemed like the obvious answer since it’s mega popular.
-I wanted to post something rather minor overall because since this is the internet, someone was going to be mad about it no matter what I posted, no matter when I posted it
I’m not a movie youtuber or nerd discussion board. I’m not going into designated spoiler-free zones deliberately posting them to rile people up like Goff is in the first panel. I’m just using it as a reference gag in a larger gag. The moment referenced is out there in the world and has been for some time. I probably could have used a number of different spoilers, but they all likely would have annoyed someone, and ultimately I go with what I personally thought fit the moment the best.
I do appreciate the thought process behind it, and like I said above, it really isn’t world ending.
But to your point, the humor one would derive from that specific joke is intrinsically connected to its value as a spoiler. If you used a minor or old spoiler, it isn’t very funny, because the d#@& move quotient is too low. So what you get is something that’s way too meta. You literally take on the role of Goff here, and the reader becomes the butt of the joke, quite literally if you haven’t seen S2.
And the fact that it wasn’t even essential is just the ultimate cherry on top of the s#&% sundae. You’re not MEANINGFULLY talking about The Mandalorian here. You could have had Goff say, “Oh, I’ve seen this movie. She dies and he marries her sister.” It would still get the point across, without dragging readers in as the butts of the joke.
I could have made it more vague and had it work, but I like making nerd references, so I made the panel into one I thought had the perfect combo of popular enough to already know, vague enough to avoid being bad, and recent enough to seem relevant.
I just disagree with the suggestion that what me and Goff did is the same. Goff deliberately enters a situation where no-spoilers is part of the expected social contract (actively watching a movie) and gives spoilers on purpose. I made a reference publicly. In a public space, to no one specifically (actually to people I assumed already knew), where there is no understood social contract to expect a spoiler-free experience, nor should there be. The former seems far more purposefully dickish to me. At worst, the latter is passively negligent. I guess I can admit to being passively negligent by not deliberately warning people I was going to reference something I figured most people already knew because it’s been out in the wild for a fair amount of time.
*sniff* That’s all I wanted to hear, man. And I forgive you your passive negligence. Now bring it in for a virtual hug, chum!
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4fDhDJGK2g4/hqdefault.jpg
Did not expect the big argument on a post about Matthew Stafford being traded to be about spoilers regarding films/TV shows.
In case you don’t feel like reading all of it, let me sum it up for you.
https://media.vlipsy.com/vlips/ZaBoz7f2/preview.jpg
I’ve kissed a girl before, so Star Wars spoilers don’t run my life….
Good on ya, mate!
This whole argument is stupid.
What’s more reasonable:
– One person who can’t be bothered to watch something in a timely manner, so they demand everyone in the world and all media, including the entire internet, to modify their behavior for an unknown, possibly infinite, amount of time, to not “spoil” something;
or
– One person, having a show/movie they eventually want to watch, knowing that it could literally be spoiled anywhere/everywhere at any time, including places not normally associated with discussing said show/movie, takes it upon themselves to avoid any chance of being spoiled.
Anyway, research shows that knowing a spoiler actually makes you enjoy the story more: https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/spoiler-alert-spoilers-make-you-enjoy-stories-more
I don’t know if he’s a bad guy, but I do remember how Goff didn’t know where the sun rises when asked on Hard Knocks. Tannehill didn’t know which teams were in which conference, though, so perhaps there’s hope for a redemption story.
Clay Matthews didn’t know Green Bay was in Wisconsin until he got his plane tickets to go there after he was drafted.
I’m happy for Stafford. I always felt he was overlooked and Detroit ruined him. I hope he can get ring before teh Giants are ready for one. So that gives him about 5 years to win one.
I feel like the rams are like that meme that says, I don’t __ often but when I do__. They fill in the blank with, We don’t draft first-rounders a lot, but when we do we draft them well(The last 3 1st rounders being Godd, Gurley, and Donald). IDK, Jared Goff seems like a below-average human being(meaning brains cells) and football player, whose only talent is that he is “attractive”. Stafford is a good QB who has been left to rot on the Lions. He waited until he got his monies worth with Detroit and left to actually play football, kind of as a last hurrah. The Lions won the trade because Goff also still has potential and they got like, 2 1st rounders?
*Goff, not Godd
There’s no “probably” to me. The Lions won that trade hands down. I don’t know that Stafford is a better QB than Goff. I think he is. He’s definitely more talented. But he’s also had like 4 winning seasons in 12 attempts and has never won a playoff game. The Lions are a bad organisation but at some point if you’re that good a QB you have to show up and ball out. Goff, for all his faults, has shown up when it matters the most. He’s gone to the Super Bowl. For the Rams to justify this trade, they’re going to have to win the Super Bowl because that’s the only way they can be better with Stafford than with Goff. And they’ll need to do it with a paper-thin roster because they’ve paying and cutting their stars and giving away their top draft picks
“Is Goff as goof as he looks?”
I can’t tell if this is a better question subconsciously and intentionally? We’ll get it answered all the same.
I wouldn’t say either side “won” this trade, although, depending on how the Rams do in these few seasons with Stafford, you could argue that the Lions got the better end of the deal long-term. LA reminds me a lot of Tampa Bay last year, or better yet, Denver back in 2011. They have a very solid roster overall that’s lacking the one position needed to push them over the top, and they managed to get their guy. The only major (and very obvious) difference is that Tampa got Tom Brady, and Denver got Peyton Manning. Matthew Stafford, as great as he is, is not a top 2 QB of all time, and lacks any of the pedigree that those two had, so it will be interesting to see how he does now that he’s on a pretty damn good roster. At the very least, I think this gives the Rams a good shot at a title.
I do wonder what Detroit will do with Goff. I feel like they should give him a legit shot. If he turns out to be better than he was given credit for, they could use the capital they have to build around him long-term. Gotta keep in mind here that Goff is only 26. If he’s good, they don’t even need to think about drafting a QB anytime soon. All those picks can go to making the team around him better.
Why is owning an Alienware computer a mark of doucheyness? I was recently shopping for a new computer (managed to snag an RTX 3080) and all the Alienware rigs I looked at seemed to have good components at competitive price points. Everyone I spoke to, however, was like “Don’t buy an Alienware computer unless you want everyone to make fun of you”.
Is it just a branding thing? Did Alienware computers used to be overpriced, overhyped, or overmarketed? I understand hating for example Beats By Dre. They sell an inferior product at a premium price because of successful marketing. But as I said before the Alienware computers I looked at seemed reasonably priced compared to competitors.
alienware is usually p good so not a clue where the hate is coming from
congrats on scoring an rtx 3080, those are harder to find than a patriotic republican
For a while anyway they were synonymous with “douchy gamer” because the REAL PC MASTERRACE types built their own hardware from the ground up so buying a sort of pre-made gaming computer was a sign of being a poser who just wanted to look cool
It’s probably less so now and the hardware is probably fine but it still seems like the most recognizable GAMER brand hardware, like the PC version of that Gamer chair every streamer has
“(managed to snag an RTX 3080) ”
now I’m jealous enough to call you a douche for telling us that 🙂