Dwayne Haskins Is Not A Team Player
If Dwayne Haskins did anything right, it was prove that the Giants took the second best QB in that draft.
I wanted Haskins at the time. A lot of people wanted Haskins at the time. A lot of people mocked the Giants towards Haskins at the time. I didn’t even know who Daniel Jones was when the draft started that year thanks to not doing the draft cards pre-emptively, which usually gets me a bit of background on who and what to expect. I was just parroting popular opinions. I don’t follow college ball closely enough to ever be a good draft expert or player evaluator. Then again, considering how often actual draft experts and player evaluators get it wrong, maybe I’m still qualified. Point is, when we picked Jones, I thought it was stupid for a multitude of reasons. Haskins being available was one of them. He has done a great service in proving me, and a lot of other people, wrong about that.
In retrospect the signs of bust were always there. He held a draft party and charged people to go there. While not a dealbreaker on its own, it is hard to not look at that with a bit of a side-eye towards ego. He notoriously laughed with surprise when the Giants picked Jones, which now reminds me of Josh Rosen’s “9 teams made a mistake” comment. While he threw an insane amount of touchdowns at Ohio State, he did so with only one year starting. There is also a meme of Ohio State QBs being untrustworthy in the NFL, as none of the “star” QBs in the 21st century have panned out. Haskins didn’t get the start immediately over Case Keenum, which we can’t really be surprised about. TEAM was in turmoil last season with Jay Gruden officially in fuck it mode as everything spiraled. When he did get a start against the Giants, he looked terrible. His first touchdown went to a Giant, if I remember right.
Since then he’s been a quiet mess. He was terrible when he played. He had the dreaded “bad attitude” where he didn’t seem to care and showed bad body language. He ran to take a selfie with fans during his first win, missing the final snap of the game to do so. I thought he got too much hate for that and assumed he simply didn’t realize the game wasn’t over yet but looking back after more stories like it came out…it makes sense. He supposedly bragged about his statline in the locker room after a bad loss to the Ravens. His line wasn’t even that great. When he was benched for Kyle Allen, I just assumed Rivera was a dumbass who had a weird attachment to the QB who helped get him fired from Carolina. Recent weeks have really shown that no, Haskins has been the dumbass all along. He broke Covid protocol, twice, and the most recent one garnered enough bad attention after even more bad play that the TEAM finally let the dude walk. As of writing he was not claimed by anyone on waivers.
Not the biggest bust in history but quietly a massive flameout so far. Not many QBs are so bad they get released before the end of their second year after being drafted so high. Shades of Johnny Manziel. Rosen also has this distinction but I’d argue Rosen was also fucked by unique circumstances in addition to sucking. Haskins may be one of those people who has never faced a genuine setback like this in his life and maybe it’ll get him to give a shit and realize what he’s messing up. Some team will pick him up at minimum for a practice squad. Maybe he will Jamarcus Russell it and just never develop a mature attitude. Time will tell.
Last post of 2020! See you for cartoon picks week 17 in 2021! There will not be a new years post, I am taking the holiday for myself.
Journalists are idiots
Oh boy, yet another Trump cultist that swallowed his rhetoric about how journalists are all wrong.
TDS is strong in this one.
Correct
It surprised me how many pundits were excoriating the Giants for passing on him at the time. It seemed really REALLY obvious that he was a 50/50 crapshoot, at best. I don’t follow college ball, but I do watch Strong Opinion Sports, and Zac does phenomenal qb analysis. Pre-draft, he said Haskins had mechanical problems, couldn’t throw a tight spiral which created accuracy issues, and fed HEAVILY on 5 yard screens that went for massive yardage to NFL-caliber talent. On the field, that sums up his NFL career pretty nicely, other than the massive yardage and NFL-caliber talent. X’D
If anyone is interested, here’s the clip: https://youtu.be/Gu08P-dh8gY?t=283
I’m not sure anybody could have predicted the complete dearth of emotional immaturity. But with him and his Dad being all about the $$$, and then the smug look when Jones was picked, proclaiming “The League done messed up!”… in hindsight it seems Gettleman was 100% correct. I definitely think the football people at WTF HQ (outside of Snyder) 100% wanted Jones, and even if the kid never cures his Fumbleitis, I think Gettleman’s move there is justified in retrospect.
Not sure it’ll make you feel better, Dave, but Haskins made a lot of people – in the immortal words of Stephen A. Smith – “look like a damn fool.” Especially himself. I think Belichick will bring him in to kick the tires, but getting on another team is gonna be a serious uphill slog for this kid. You can’t mess up like this unless you’re lighting it up on the field.
Ugh, I meant dearth of emotional maturity, not immaturity. Now *I* look like a damn fool. XD
Belichick is more likely to actually initiate a trade for Carson “IQ of a potato” Wentz before bringing in Dwayne Haskins to try out at QB. It’s not even a talent thing (like he has any) but that unprofessional conduct and childish attitude are things even the strictest disciplinarians can’t fix at this point.
Did you see his Twitter apology? A lot of people quickly ate that drivel up and I have no clue why. It looked like something a freshman in High School would write after getting caught cheating on a test. “I’m sorry for not meeting the standards of a NFL QB” like bro you couldn’t get your agent to write something for you on a notes app? lmfao
I would never argue that they’re even *REMOTELY* close talent-wise, but Randy Moss was unprofessional and childish prior to joining Belichick . Ditto Antonio Brown, Haynesworth, Aqib Talib. BB seems very willing to call up: “I’m the last best chance to salvage your career. Give me every drop of blood in your body for pennies on the dollar. You mess up ONCE… you’re DEAD TO ME.”
But I agree that he’s beyond salvaging. If your immunocompromised coach on chemo therapy isn’t a deterrent from partying with strippers during a pandemic, I can’t see him on a team longer than a week or two. It says A LOT that a team fighting for the playoffs w/ injuries at qb couldn’t wait until the season ended to cut him. At least JaMarcus Russell was just fat and lazy. He needed 31 games to burn out. This guy is fat, lazy, stupid, AND toxic. I don’t even understand how awful you need to be to get cut from the WTFers after only 13 starts. It’s almost impressive.
Not only was the apology poorly written, what the beep does rooting for the WTFs as a child have to do with anything? And not only THAT, before the draft, when he was tweeting photoshops of himself in a Giants uniform expecting them to roll out the mat for him… he had claimed to be a childhood fan of THEM. Sorry, if you rooted for the Giants as a kid, you would NEVER say you love WTF, or vice versa. Incompetent AND a bad liar.
Yeah it made me glad in hindsight.
How does Dwayne Haskins compare to Ryan Leaf?
He compares in the sense that Dave and the Giants fans back then would’ve been using Leaf’s flameout as an excuse to defend the pick of Charlie Batch. (I know Detroit is who actually drafted Batch, but he was the 3rd QB taken in that parallel. Of course, Batch was eventually a competent backup. That still seems like a lofty goal for Daniel Jones)
Honestly, worse than Leaf. Leaf at least made it 3 seasons. While both have attitude issues, Haskins’ seems to be worse than Leaf’s. Washington was at least quicker to cut him. Haskins has a better completion rate. Leaf probably bought himself some time due to his shoulder injury. Leaf also lasted the whole season his final season.
looking back no qb other than Kyler Murray shoulve went in the first round maybe even in the second round they all kinda suck
who’s on first what’s on second i don’t know’s in the endzone third base
You didn’t mention that he risked the life of his coach. Breaking covid protocol is one thing. Breaking it when your coach is recovering from chemotherapy and is immuno compromised is another.
True!
I said it last post, but I’ll just say it again here: The real loser of the Dwayne Haskins saga is Justin Fields. Another horrific flameout of an Ohio State QB will have all the helmet scouts rolling, and Fields’ already tanking stock might dip even further as a result. Doesn’t help that Fields’ seems to suffer from many of the same issues that Dwayne Haskins had at Ohio State as well.
Haskins reminds me a lot of a spoiled kid getting a cold dose of reality outside of his bubble. This isn’t something that just happens out of the blue, he grew up being coddled by those around him. When he did something stupid or bad, it was brushed under the rug so as to not “ruin his future”, and it worked that way all the way through college. He was used to it, so once he got to a point where that crap don’t fly anymore, well, you see the results. Reminds me a ton of Johnny Manziel.
“another”?!?
Who is the other one? Who his the tOSU QB that flamed out in the league? The Buckeyes haven’t had another top 2 round QB since ’81.
This meme needs to die cause it’s a mess. tOSU doesn’t produce NFL QB busts… they just have never produced NFL QBs PERIOD. Heck, most of them end up switching to WR.
Ryan Day seems to be changing that as all the the current QBs on the roster (and the two lined up in the 2021 and 2022 class) are all much more NFL prototypes.
Fun fact about Ohio State QBs in the NFL: the last Ohio State QB to go to the Pro Bowl was elected as a punter rather than a QB (Tom Tupa, 1999, with the Jets).
The giants were still kinda stupid for taking jones where he did imo. They could have traded back and still gotten him if they were truly sold on him. No one had him that high, most people didn’t even have a 1st round grade on him, or if they did it was late. Even trading back to like the early teens would’ve probably still netted him and given the gmen some extra assets (which they need all they can get.)
You don’t know that they could’ve traded back and still gotten him. If that’s your guy you go and get him. No spot is too early. The draft “experts” projected him to go later but all we really know is that at least one team thought he was worthy of that draft pick and if you are that team that thinks he’s worthy of that draft pick you can’t know that none of the other 31 teams and front offices agree with you.
Halftime of SNF.
Just checking how being an Eagles fan is going, Dave…..
D’oh! Seems like the Eagles tanked just to spite you… Nate Sudfield???