Admiral McDermott Takes His Leave
In case you don’t get the Admiral thing, upon firing McDermott the Bills released the usual press statement saying thank you, blah blah blah, and apparently forgot to run the statement past a proofreader because instead of saying “Admirable”, they said Admiral. Well..I guess I’ll give them credit for writing it themselves instead of letting ChatGPT do it for them.
I think this was a mistake by the Bills. Feels like an emotional scapegoating after another tough playoff loss. I don’t see how this move ends well for them. It reminds me of when the Giants cut Tom Coughlin loose. That was the beginning of a severe decline because it started with the wrong person getting blamed, even if that person wasn’t blameless.
This year has been an absolute bloodbath of something I’ve begun calling “Coach Malaise”. When a team has a good coach, but for whatever reason the team has not gotten over the hump and advanced to the super bowl or better. Maybe a long series of playoff failures or “almosts” that leave fans dissatisfied. The fanbase starts to let their eyes wander to other successful teams. They start nitpicking the coach harder and harder until you run into fans of these perennial playoff contenders who will tell you to your face that their coach sucks, actually. I’ve seen Ravens fans bitching about how John Harbaugh is the problem for years. Same with Tomlin. I’m seeing it now with Matt LaFleur. I predict we are only a few years away from Dan Campbell starting to get hit by the malaise, provided the Lions don’t make it past the divisional soon.
It’s a perspective problem. When the floor of your team is raised for an extended time, you forget how deep the foundation can be if you remove it, because you keep looking up at the ceiling instead. These fanbases have achieved a level of comfort they do not know they have. Trust me, it can get worse. It can get much worse. Winning in the NFL is fucking hard. So much has to go right for any playoff success, a lot of factors that aren’t even in a team’s control. I have always believed that all you need out of a coach is a guy who can consistently get you to the dance and make good decisions overall. You don’t need a perfect coach. No coach is. You just need a guy who can lead you to the battles you have to fight.
To me, McDermott easily reached that level. Every year the Bills stumble somehow and we look at them like “oh, they are falling apart”…but they wouldn’t. They’d get back on track. They’d end up comfortably in the playoffs and win a game or two before losing a close game. To me, that’s the sign of a well-coached team. Despite the roster problems, the Bills managed to make it anyway and they even had a really good pass defense. Whatever flaws McDermott has, and he has a few for sure…he was getting them deep into the playoffs on a regular basis. Bills fans seemed to give Josh Allen all the credit for this. He’s the engine, but you need a good conductor. McDermott wasn’t pulling a Tomlin or LaFleur, squeaking in and getting exploded. The Bills were winning playoff games! Just not enough of them.
But even if Bills fans were beginning to feel the malaise over McDermott, most of them still clearly see this as a mistake, because of the part I haven’t mentioned yet: Brandon Beane. The Bills roster has been slowly crumbling year after year and most Bills fans who know ball pointed the finger at Beane. Granted, when you draft in the late 20’s every year the chance you find a real impact guy diminishes but that’s not a great excuse. Beane has not built the roster to support the team. They needed better WRs to help Allen, they got *checks notes* Brandin Cooks I guess. The defense needs help, let’s go overpay *checks notes* the corpse of Joey Bosa I guess. Instead of firing Brandon Beane along with McDermott…they promoted him!
Beane is now the President of Football Operations. That’s LinkedIn speak for “guy the owner put in charge of everything because he can’t be bothered”. Beane is now the top boss and the new coach will be his direct underling, with no reporting to Terry Pegula. Giving more power to the guy who many people believe should have been fired first or at least in tandem with McDermott is a very questionable move, and it marks Beane as the NFL’s newest Scheming Vizier. In contrast, the Giants pretty much demoted Joe Schoen. While Schoen also deserved to get let go but wasn’t, he’s clearly been diminished in power and influence to make way for Harbaugh. Now Schoen is basically on the hot seat and needs to perform and work closely in tandem with Harbaugh or his ass is toast. Short leash. Appropriate.
What are the Bills going to do now? I assume they probably want to go with another defensive coach, since the offense just needs “guy who can tell Josh Allen to be Moose”. Shula from the Rams? Flores? The Bills job is pretty attractive with Allen there, I’m curious where this goes. I do not have high hopes that they are headed in the right direction.
Bills fans forgot the the team made the playoffs in McDermott’s first year (2017) for the first time since they had Rob Johnson & Doug Flutie when Wade Phillips was coach…. in 1999, when Marino was still Miami’s QB, & Pete Carrol was coach of the Patriots.
The biggest rumor right now is that both Allen and Beane want a reunion with Daboll. I heard McDaniel’s name thrown around, but that didn’t last long because he’s signing with LAC. The other name I’ve heard is Brian Flores, who I think would be the best coaching hire out of the three. Sadly, it appears the Bills are set in Daboll and McDaniel/Flores are names to fulfill Rooney Rule requirement. I hope I’m wrong.
If you’re using Flores as Rooney Rule fodder don’t include Belichick in the group chat.
That’s how you end up in court.
Beane likes to grab his veteran WRs midseason, because why let them build up rapport with Allen when you can grab Amari Cooper in October and Brandin Cooks in November instead?
If there was a team to pull a Coen and Baalke this year, it’d be the one.
Bills fan: it was time. I’m not going to say it was all on McDermott or that he was a bad coach but it was time. McDermott is a defensive coach whose defenses were giving up 30 points a game. He felt that most rookies weren’t ready for his scheme and would take years to play them full time unless there was injury. His defensive EPA peaked in 2021 (13 second game) and consistently couldn’t stop the run, let up 3rd and longs and 4th downs and fans had heart attacks whenever an opponent was one score down and on offense under 2 minutes. This wasn’t a one off it’s been happening for years but the team has Josh Allen and kept winning.
His scheme was purposefully to play lighter players in an all in push to stop the pass at the expense of the run. When he started in on the team (2017) that made all kinds of sense playing Brady twice a year and in a time of Peyton Manning, Brees, and MVP Aaron Rodgers running air shows. Now, offenses have gone heavier and more run focused and McDermott could never adjust.
Maybe they’ll make the wrong choice going forward but they were never going to get over the hump
Bad take here. The point in the NFL is to win the super bowl, not lose in the divisional round. Being perpetually good and never great isn’t the goal. If you have a coach who can consistently get you to the divisional but can’t get you over the hump, you gotta move on, and accept the fact that you may have to sit in the basement for a bit before you find the right coach. Things might get worse before they get better.
Or is you opinion also that Marvin Lewis should still be coaching the Bengals?
Not all of these firings were good ones, and I’ve been very critical of how little time owners give coaches to immediately find success without the resources to do so. But in the case of Tomlin and harbaugh, the time had definitely come. Both found a bit of early success but have been chasing that success for over a decade now and can’t find it again. Tomlin in particular hasn’t only lost 7 straight playoff games, he hasn’t even been competitive in any of them. Harbaugh has a perennial MVP candidate at QB and isn’t just losing, he’s losing early in the playoffs. He’s only got 1 AFCCG _appearance_ with Lamar.
McDermott I’m honestly not sure. But my opinion is that he’s not really that good a coach. The bills success is Allen’s, not McDermott’s. But I don’t have stats or anything to back that up, it’s just a feeling.
Not sure what Lafleur has done to earn any kind of trust. The Packers were good for a long time cause they had 2 consecutive Hall of Fame QBs. Since Love took over they’ve been… Fine. Competitive. But they’re nowhere near super bowl level.
Agreed. McCarthy had more success with Rodgers than Lafleur and Lafleur had prime Rodgers. That defense and special teams kinda sucked tho. Regardless GB has done nothing in the Love era, they’re a mildly better Cowboys.
McDermott has lost a ton of games with his bad decisions too. Bad time-outs. Bad 4th down attempts, the range. He will get another shit with a lesser QB and do nothing.
Did you mis-spell “shot” or was that intentional?
Shot got autocorrected to shit. It works better that way
The issue is that playoffs are inherently unfair. It is an extremely small sample size of games that completely discounts all the good you did in the regular season. It’s games that we as a society have just decided mean more than the others because reasons. Why is losing a regular season game forgiveable but the divisional round isn’t? Because we say so. That’s bad for determining who’s actually a good coach imo, or a good team for that matter. It’s really hard to win several games in a row and sometimes it comes down to simple fortune.
The players imo will always matter more than the coach, and that’s why I am with dave that it’s the GM who built this good but not great roster that you need to win.
What a ridiculous take. The only purpose of regular season games is to organize teams for the playoffs. The playoffs determine the championship, and the championship is what matters. Saying that valuing the playoffs more is arbitrary is like saying it’s arbitrary to value election results more than polling data. One actually decides the winner, the other does not.
Also no one is arguing in favor of firing coaches who fail to win a single playoff game. It’s about the consistent failure to get over the hump to win a super bowl after an extended period of time. Because the super bowl is the goal.
If you are consistently great in the regular season and consistently bad in the postseason you are not a worthwhile coach for a team that wants to win a championship. If you want to go 14-3 every year and lose in the divisional round, by all means. I’ll keep my super bowl ambitions.
The thing is, the Bills were NOT consistently bad in the playoffs. Almost every single playoff loss the Bills have had under McDermott has been extremely close games the Bills almost won. They weren’t getting blown up like the Tomlin Steelers had been for the past 8 years. They were having games decided by inches. A few good breaks and the Bills are playoff monsters. Most of those games were won by the current GOAT team and player, so they aren’t even embarrassing losses to inferior opponents. They are just getting Michael Jordan’d.
I understand the frustration with that but the Bills were winning playoff games each year with a roster that kept getting worse. Meanwhile Zac Taylor made a super bowl. Sometimes shit is just luck.
The funny part is you are actively demonstrating my exact point about fandom perspective shifts. Before McDermott and Allen, Bills fans were desperate for a single playoff berth. They flooded Andy Dalton’s charity with cash just because he won a different game that sent the team to the playoffs after the longest drought in the league. Now that the team is good and a genuine competitor, you’re hyper focused on the negatives of the same guy who got you here and talking about Super Bowl Ambitions and shit. You’ve forgotten how far below you the foundation actually is, and if the Bills fuck this hire up, you’ll be wishing you had a steadying force like McDermott back.
I haven’t seen you say anything about Beane, do you think keeping him was a good idea? I understand moving on from McDermott AND Beane, but just McDermott reeks of emotional scapegoating and a failure to truly self-evaluate. I’m trying to think of an example where a SB competitor switched coaches and nothing else and that provided the spark to reach a Super Bowl, and I can’t think of any. If a team needs a shakeup, they probably need more than just a coach swap.
The most positive example is the Broncos moving on from John Fox in 2014. I think there’s a distinct difference there though in that Elway had clearly put together an extremely talented roster that still found a way to disappoint; it was VERY clear that Fox was the issue and bringing on Kubiak and Phillips was the solution.
That’s how it’s _supposed_ to be. When you’re in the basement, you look for someone who can get you out. But once you get out, you start looking at where you can go from there. The guy who leads you out of the dumps isn’t necessarily the guy who leads you to the promised land.
If your idea of sports fandom is “I just don’t want to suck,” then to each their own. But I want my team to compete for championships, not just playoff berths. “Happy to be here” is fine for a season or two when you’re rebuilding but it gets really boring really quickly.
My take is the bills are well past the point of being happy to be there. They have the best player in the NFL and they need to find a way to take advantage, and McDermott wasn’t it. If their attempts to find the guy to take the next step fail, at least they can say they tried.
As for Beane, my take is I don’t follow the bills closely enough to have an informed opinion. But from 10k feet, it doesn’t seem like they’ve done a great job of loading up around Allen, so probably would have been time for him to go as well.
But the fact that one half of their decision was bad doesn’t mean the other half is automatically bad.
This isn’t how it usually works though. Teams spend years toiling in the mines of failure and then they find a guy who actually changes the culture and because that guy got them out, he’s usually the guy moving forward until the team begins the descent into the mines again. When you find the key guys you need to reach the playoffs consistently, the usual result is to support them as best you can. This is why Beane is a problem that Bills fans are mad about. McDermott might have his faults, but Beane’s roster construction was generating a lot of the problems McDermott had to work with, such as band-aid midseason pickups for major holes at WR or defense. It’s not McDermott’s fault that the team had woeful depth when stars got hurt, that’s on Beane. McDermott managed to cobble together a top 5 pass defense with zero all-pros, pro bowlers, or stars, and injuries hurting what was there. Take Josh Allen off this team and they are probably just above the Jets. McDermott had to do his best with the one MVP and a lot of rot. You’re assigning all that blame to McDermott the same way the team is, and IMO that’s a mistake. But we’ll have to wait and see from here.
I’d understand if McDermott just got them to the occasional playoff game and did nothing else. That’s a high floor low ceiling coach that probably needs more immediate replacement to reach the next level. Marvin Lewis WAS that guy, but the Bengals owner is cheap and kept him forever. But that’s not what was happening. The Bills were continuously making playoff runs and just barely getting beaten. It’s deeply frustrating but not indicative of a genuinely bad coach. When the Giants fired Tom Coughlin I got it, I too felt like his time had passed and we needed to move on. But they didn’t address the other problems in the organization (The bad GM roster management!) and then the team plummeted and it became clear that even in his failing years Coughlin was still a much better coach than I gave him credit for. I’m very worried this is exactly what the Bills are doing. Terry Pegula seems like a moron.
I think a better example of a genuinely bad coach who reaches the playoffs but is holding the team back in the way you seem to think McDermott was is Zac Taylor. But the Bengals are failing miserably most years despite also having an MVP level QB. But Zac also reached a SB, so that goes to show you how much luck also matters in the playoffs.
Sucks to be Buck Showalter.
Bad take. My team has not made the playoffs in 8 years, a coaching staff that can get to the playoffs would be a godsend. A stabilizing force of competency gets you through the regular season. You have to have that first, then great players get you through the playoffs.
How many years have we seen a team get hot at the right time or a player put the team on their back and win playoff games. If your coach is good and consistent enough to get you into the playoffs to let the players carry you from there is a heck of a lot better option than “look at all these stars on my team too bad we aren’t playing for anything in January”.
Prime Michael Vick would be on Sportcenter every Monday highlighting what a great play he had in a 34-17 loss. Was he fun, yes. Did we win games, no. You see it with guys like Lamar and Burrow now, highlight reels don’t matter in losses. Matt Ryan will forever be in history as the guy who pops up with the best stats in losses because his coaches never fielded a proper defense. If you have a staff that can lead a team of nobodies (think 49’ers this year with injuries) to the playoffs, you don’t just throw that staff away. It can and does get bad, losing sucks and it compounds.
Yea this entire discussion isn’t about coaches who fail to win a playoff game with a bad roster that hasn’t had any success. It’s about coaches who have had consistent success in the regular season but can’t get over the hump in the playoffs. The ravens and Steelers don’t need a stabilizing force. They’ve had it for 2 decades. They need a shake up to get them to the promised land.
Marvin Lewis never won a single playoff game and he was employed significantly longer than McDermott. Moving on makes sense at a certain threshold, but you and I seem to disagree on where that threshold is. I don’t think McDermott had reached it yet, and a lot of the problems with the team are generated by the roster he was stuck with, and the team did nothing to address anything but just fired the coach.
This was a team that was competitive in the playoffs year after year despite the losses, not a easy scratch on anybody’s bracket.
My take on McDermott is that I just don’t think he was ever a good coach, so my opinion is it was fine to fire him but it would have been fine 2 or 3 years ago as well, cause he was dead weight for Allen to carry.
I was more calling out your criticism of Harbaugh and Tomlin being ousted. The only differences between Lewis and Tomlin are 1. Tomlin won a few before he started to consistently lose, and 2. Lewis’s teams at least competed during his 7 game losing streak. You can argue that Tomlin at least showed he was capable where Lewis hadn’t, but how long are you willing to wait for him?
Ultimately, if we step back from any one particular coach, my opinion is that when a situation gets stale, not making a change for fear of things getting worse is how you lead a team to persistent mediocrity. You’re playing to not lose instead of playing to win. It’s like taking a knee when you’re down 10 with a minute left cause you’re afraid of throwing a pick 6 and losing by 17 instead of 10. You’re so scared of being bad that you happily accept being mediocre instead of taking a risk in pursuit of greatness.
I agree with the idea of needing to move on from a coach, like the Eagles moved on from Reid and the Packers from McCarthy, but I don’t think this was the year to do it. This playoff loss was mostly on Josh Allen, and I don’t think McDermott was getting stale quite yet. He deserved a hot seat, not a firing
They should have cleaned house. McDermott had trouble winning away games and for a defensive coach, his strategy was have Allen play hero ball. Beane should have been fired too but oh well.
I would say Kubiak in Seattle could do some great things with Allen. I just honestly hope he can win a chip for Buffalo – few players carry a team the way Allen has through the years.
This is really the main issue with this move. If they completely cleaned house and dumped Beane along with McDermott, I could understand it and even get behind that. It’s ownership deciding that their QB (and general nucleus) is not the problem and trusting them to get it done with a better staff and FO. By keeping and promoting Beane, it just turns out that they likely dumped the wrong guy in an obvious scapegoat firing. The issue with the Bills was that their roster was very clearly not up to par, and the lack of talent on both sides of the ball was killing them. Josh Allen deserves a lot of credit for making that work, but so did McDermott. He was getting more out of that roster than most likely would have, and Buffalo might end up feeling this one if they aren’t able to land a good replacement.
In the NFL and in college football too, “Coach Malaise” generally sets in for fair reasons. The issues crop up when it is acted upon by bad management and without a thought-out succession plan. With the Giants and Tom Coughlin, what exactly was the plan there? Thinking of a situation where a “Coach Malaise” influenced change worked out well, the Buccaneers replacing Tony Dungy by making a bold but clear-headed trade for Jon Gruden.
I see the same malaise with my college alma mater and its present and still employed “mediocre” head coach. He’s flawed and we could certainly hire a better coach, and he very nearly was replaced after this last season, the fanbase despises the guy. And yet, I would have killed to watch a football team half as good as the disappointing team he put on the field this past year back when I was attending college. We were especially awful back then and had been for a decade at that point, in no small part because of 10+ years of bad hires that had followed a prior long period of “Coach Malaise” with our all-time winningest coach, who was pushed into retirement. We’re capable of doing it again, and so while I’m not thrilled to see him returning to the sidelines next season, I am willing to wait a season for the new athletic administration to replace him thoughtfully (hopefully…).
Coach Malaise reaches a point where it’s honestly perfectly fair to think a split makes sense. Andy Reid in Philly is the big example. Harbaugh and Tomlin are honestly sensible divorces. McDermott was not there yet, imo. Maybe some shakeups to OC or bringing in a new DC to support him would be needed, but as it stands, this is just a good coach getting scapegoated for a larger problem.
People blaming McD don’t understand that the roster is terrible. It’s a four-win roster without Josh. This is one of the worst receiver corps in football. People wonder why Josh has to do insane stuff every game, this is why.
Honestly, it’s really frustrating to see the national names like UrinatingTree constantly rag on McD because he dragged this stupid roster to five-straight AFCE titles. He truly loved Buffalo and he turned this pathetic franchise around completely.
Beane has drafted two pro bowlers in 58 picks. We’re in cap hell. We constantly have to trot out horrible washed backups in the playoffs like AJ Klein because the roster is so weak. And we gave him a goddamn promotion.
Naturally, this happens when the Sabres get good. We can’t have two teams successful at the same time. F you Terry. Go sink another natural gas well and hire a proofreader, you stupid hack.
That’s how I think. The roster is good not great. The coach doesn’t pick the players usually. He gives input on who he thinks might or might not work in his system with the players they have. Beane hasn’t exactly instilled great confidence that he can consistently draft good players or difference makers. I’m not really against the firing because it felt to me like this was gonna happen in another season or two anyways. The coach is the scapegoat for the ball not bouncing the teams way. Sometimes you just play a better team that’s, I don’t know, maybe built better by more competent suits.
I’m personally a big fan of this move by the Bills.
Jokes aside, does this promotion imply they’ll also be hiring a new GM to work under Beane? Because that might make the move not quite as bad as it seems if the guy is better at GM evaluation than he was at player evaluation.
I think Beane is more or less continuing his job as before, but he just has more of a final say. McDermott also reported to ownership whereas the new guy will only report to Beane. That’s my limited understanding
This is correct. Kim Pegula used to be the president of the Bills before medical issues. Terry doesn’t know how and doesn’t have the time, so he is offloading the work to Beane. He can’t fire both at once, because he doesn’t have time or capability to do a GM search.
I’m curious to see whether people here think NFL owners/front offices are moving the way of their NBA counterparts, where coaches are fired 1-2 years removed from a championship. Some decisions work like Toronto Raptors coach Dwayne Casey getting fired the same year he won coach of the year; the Raptors won the chip the year. On the other side, you have Bucks coach Adrian Griffin, fired literally halfway into the season with a 30-13 record; Bucks are still recovering from Doc Rivers.
That said, are we shifting into a new era of head coach turnover in NFL?
What I want to know is what everyone thinks of the absolute joke of a press conference where the owner threw the former coaching staff under the bus over a player to make the GM look better. With said player STILL ON THE DAMN ROSTER! That was both low and hilarious. Hilarious because the rich dumbass has no clue how badly stuff like that can damage the public perception of the franchise.
I know the Deshaun Watson thing was a completely different scenario but I want to reference that. Ignore who the player is. Ownership and the powers that be made a roster decision that they felt would help them move forward. And as almost every damn fan can say the saw how it turned out coming. I don’t want to focus on the focus on said player. I want to look at the results. That decision has set the franchise back for who knows how long. Knowing Cleveland, maybe forever.
The choice overall resulted in Cleveland going from lovable to losers to just losers everyone wants to see lose if that walking pc of trash takes the field. That’s a separate thing. But it shows how easily one stupid decision can take you franchise from promising to the division cellar for a decade or longer. What if they hire Daboll and miss the playoffs next year in true Daboll fashion? They gonna fire him too? The precedent set says we’re tired of winning and then losing like this and we want more. Except…more often than not, that backfires.
If I were a player on the roster or a coach thinking about coming aboard, I’d take a step back to seriously assess if I wanted to deal with an owner that doesn’t have the sense to know when not to speak. More money than sense, this guy.
Also, I can’t type to save my life
Great take, this is what being a Vikings fan is like. Perpetually a contender but never getting over the hump. 2025 was a pretty disappointing year and they STILL had a better record than the entire NFC South. I’m honestly surprised KOC isn’t in the mix for premature coach firing since he’s made some obvious blunders with both his personnel management and with his play calling.
It’s a mistake simply because it’s so late in the hiring cycle and they didn’t can Beane with McDermott. Terry Pegula sounded way too much like Jerry Jones on that conference call for my taste. The Bills are going back to drought mode
The Rams have 2 1st Round picks in the upcoming draft, all their future 1st Round picks, have drafted exactly once in the 1st Round since 2017, may have need of a new Starting QB if Stafford retires (which isn’t out of the question), and Josh Allen might be pissed at his owner and GM.
…fuck it, why the fuck not? 😀
I still feel like if McDermott took ownership of the loss he wouldn’t have been fired. Blaming it all on the refs for making a call that actually was correct is pathetic.
Firing Mcdermott really reminds me of the Chargers firing Marty Schottenheimer in 2007 after 2 awesome seasons losing late in the playoffs both times to Tom Brady and the Patriots.
“Marty can’t get us to the Superbowl” it was said.
How’d that work out when Norv Turner replaced Marty ?
The next 2 seasons they made the playoffs with worse records but didn’t make the AFC Championship.
The next 3 seasons they missed the playoffs and the GM and HC were fired.
Bills fans got spoiled in my opinion and they down the road might be wishing that McDermott was never fired.
It’s funny, I was thinking the exact same thing. It also reminds me of the Giants firing Tom Coug- WHOOPS! I meant to say, it reminds me of when Tom Coughlin TOTALLY resigned, because he was ashamed that with a roster full of garbage, he was unable to do anything beyond drag it to a fairly respectable record.
Buffalo shoulda taken a REAAAAALLY good look at the roster and made sure, ABSOLUTELY sure, beyond ANY shadow of a doubt that it was McDermott holding the team back, and not the other way around. I’m impressed Buffalo got as far as they did with this roster, and I imagine they’re going to regress mightily the next few seasons, based solely on the… the uh, “bizarre” (that’s putting it nicely) footage coming out of Buffalo over the last 2 days. Like, WTF are they doing over there? Calling out players that are still on your roster? Saying the GM only picked a guy because he wanted to play nice, when there’s ton of footage out there where he was gushing over the dude multiple times? Man, it’s like they heard all the noise down in Joisey calling Joe Schoen a horrible GM, and Buffalo was like, “Hold my folding picnic table!”
Weren’t McDermott that threw two picks or lost two fumbles. And Allen almost managed to pull’em back to survive that stat line. Fins are gonna be looking up from the lower half of the AFC East for a while – and when it’s Patriot and Bill ass we gonna see, that stings hard.
Some weapons grade bullshit from the owner though. There’s some scummy people owning teams, but you just don’t luzz players under a truck like that. No need for that whatsoever.